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clunkster · Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:00 pm Post subject:

ABangtson wrote:

How do you figure that my theory would allow African's with marine fish? Would African's thrive with marine fish? They wouldn't even survive...
Can't compare apples to oranges.

no i did'nt say they would survive, i mearly wondered if you would try this because of your theroy Twisted Evil

you know push the boundries

ABangtson wrote:

We can get into the biotype arguement if you want, but I have been there before and if you can argue either way if you take a hard line stance. All those arguements do is raise many questions to which there are numerous answers to.

yes you are correct more answers raise more questions and so the roundabout keeps turning Laughing

ABangtson wrote:

Is a glass rectangle in your living room a decent replication of any biotype?

very possibly not but it is the best we can do, so then maybe it should be the best that we do Wink

ABangtson wrote:

If a fish thrives and breeds in your tank does it mean that biotype doesn't matter at all?

not at all as we can read all the relavent material that there is on breeding such fish, but you have to remember fish cant read Shocked

plus what would happen if somebody breeds a fish in high pH conditions then sells them to somebody who having read about them, puts them in what to them is the correct pH conditions ? pH shock that can quite possibly kill the fish Crying or Very sad

ABangtson wrote:

Should a hobbyist only keep fish in the type of water and surroundings as found in their natural habitat?

well i for one think it is a good idea to try to match the said conditions/requirments for the fish, as in my opinion you will have healthy and happy specimins Very Happy

so why dont you keep african cichlids in a lower pH ?

ABangtson wrote:

My personal stance on this is that if fish thrive and breed in different water conditions then why should we as hobbyists limit ourselves to what we keep based on biotype alone. Also, I find that almost no one keeps conditions in their tanks exactly like those in the fishes natural habitat. There are always traces of elements in their surroundings that would never be found in the aquarium.

yes you could be right as how can we as hobbyists hope to recreate what nature provides ? but i am prepared like every body else to give it a damm good go Laughing

ABangtson wrote:

Just my $0.02. If you don't like them that way more power to ya. I do what I enjoy as long as the fish thrive and seem to be healthy and happy. Smile

the beauty of opinions is that we all have one, and like you i am prepared to share mine Laughing

this has not been writen with the intent to offend anybody Cool

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i dont keep fish i keep water that fish can live in what do you do ?

ABangtson · Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:26 pm Post subject:

Not offended at all. Razz

In fact, i love to debate my opinions against others. It's always fun. Smile

I don't have a lot of time to respond to all your points as I am at work, but I will address a couple.

Yes, PH shock would probably kill a fish if the hobbyist giving the fish away was inconsiderate enough not to let the person receiving the fish know what conditions it was kept in and the consequences of rapid change. Smile

I do not keep African's in low ph's because it prevents breeding. Very Happy

No matter what my arguement here, I do strive to create an atmosphere for my fish as close as I can to chat they have in the wild. However, the need of a BN Pleco to clean algae in my tank makes that the one fish in my tank to which this is not true. My original point I was trying to get across was that if you need/want Pleco's in your African tank, feel free to put them in as they will do very well in my experience. Smile

The people I receive my BN's from will let me know if they were in a low PH/softer water environment before I purchase them so I can acclimate them. Smile

clunkster · Posted: Wed Jul 26, 2006 6:41 pm Post subject:

get back to work Laughing

am glad you have not been offended by any of my posts on this matter Very Happy

and yes disscusion/debate is healthy this is the area where we can all share our own views Twisted Evil

ya might not agree with them but is that not what makes it all so interesting ? all i was trying to say if i was keeping african cichlids then i would go for synodontis (did you know they are grazzers ?) and not plecs, yes i understand your using them to keep the algae down but have you not tried a scrubbing pad Laughing

p.s. read that bit in my sig. i keep water that fish can live in Laughing

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i dont keep fish i keep water that fish can live in what do you do ?